Cape Council of Policy
463
1672-04-27
Minute details
- Entry number
- 463
- Date
- 1672-04-27
- Year
- 1672
English translation
Although by resolution taken yesterday of the Council it was understood that the detention of the Danish skipper Carsten de Regter, for the reasons stated therein, had been done well and rightly, nevertheless the Council of this fortress, on the assumption of the respective skippers of the ships at sea, meets again today, having attentively observed the order given by Their Honor the Lords XVII on the aforementioned subject, and for that purpose further examined certain copies of resolutions, by the aforementioned Her Honor, dated 9 and 15 May ao. passado23 on the same matter, and in this respect considered that we were by no means authorized to issue such strict orders from our Lords and Masters, but should execute them vigorously; however, on the other hand, the troubling constitution of the times, which not only was experienced in our fatherland with the Crown of France, but also, in common opinion, that one need not place the surest trust in that of Denmark, nor that Captain Bielke of the aforementioned Danish ship, delivered up to Council today by request, had largely conceded such procedures, and had pointed out that it would have been impossible for him without the aforementioned skipper, under whose direction, and consequently to his own responsibility, not only the aforementioned ship but also all the merchandise laden therein were (except that, apart from one person understanding the helmsmanship and navigation, he had no one else on board) from being able to put to sea here; but on the other hand, to the detriment of the E. Compe. and the great prejudice, damage, and interest of His Majesty, he had been forced to remain here, and who undoubtedly would not find it in the least in his best interests. So that, this important matter having been carefully considered and debated by the Council, it was finally appreciated and proposed, or one with Her Honor. would persist in the forward positive orders, and send the sailed skipper to Batavia, then, in order not to give Her Eminent Majesty grounds for an offensive, and not to attract more enemies to our State (which everyone tries to apprehend), we could not come to another expedition.
Whereupon, taking into account circumspection, and various arguments touching on this matter have been presented and aired both pro and con,24 and especially considering how bravely His Eminent Majesty, as a very old friend and ally of the State, indeed honoured the Comps. fleet in its port at times of the 25th, it has finally been resolved by a plurality of votes after many previous debates and it has been understood that in these present troubles it would be best and safest for the Reverend Company to use connivance in this matter for once, and to appoint the aforementioned Danish skipper again, especially since he is present on his return, and the Reverend Company, as now in East India, cannot be disadvantageous, but with the threats and warning that, had the Council permitted such particularly weighty considerations, he would certainly not have been released without proper censure. Leaving reserved for Our Lords and Masters in the Fatherland the pretension and action they may take against his person and property at any time and in any way.
He is thus arrested in the Fortress of Good Hope on the day and year mentioned above.
[Signed:] ALBERT VAN BREUGEL.
[Signed:] HUBERT HUGO.
[Signed:] CONRAD VON BREITENBACH.
[Signed:] J. COON.
[Signed:] PIETER DE NEIJN.
[Signed:] H. CRUDOP.
[Signed:] W. VAN DIEDEN.
[Signed:] CORNELIS KRIECK.
[Signed:] (24/1672/4/27)
[Signed:] JAN CORNELISZ TIJMS.
[Signed:] JAN BLOCK.
[Signed:] JOHAN NIJHOFF.
[Signed:] DOUWE SYMONSZ PENNEMES.
[Signed:] MICHIEL DANIELS.
[Signed:] CORNELIS BACKER.
[Signed:] PT. COOL.
Whereupon, taking into account circumspection, and various arguments touching on this matter have been presented and aired both pro and con,24 and especially considering how bravely His Eminent Majesty, as a very old friend and ally of the State, indeed honoured the Comps. fleet in its port at times of the 25th, it has finally been resolved by a plurality of votes after many previous debates and it has been understood that in these present troubles it would be best and safest for the Reverend Company to use connivance in this matter for once, and to appoint the aforementioned Danish skipper again, especially since he is present on his return, and the Reverend Company, as now in East India, cannot be disadvantageous, but with the threats and warning that, had the Council permitted such particularly weighty considerations, he would certainly not have been released without proper censure. Leaving reserved for Our Lords and Masters in the Fatherland the pretension and action they may take against his person and property at any time and in any way.
He is thus arrested in the Fortress of Good Hope on the day and year mentioned above.
[Signed:] ALBERT VAN BREUGEL.
[Signed:] HUBERT HUGO.
[Signed:] CONRAD VON BREITENBACH.
[Signed:] J. COON.
[Signed:] PIETER DE NEIJN.
[Signed:] H. CRUDOP.
[Signed:] W. VAN DIEDEN.
[Signed:] CORNELIS KRIECK.
[Signed:] (24/1672/4/27)
[Signed:] JAN CORNELISZ TIJMS.
[Signed:] JAN BLOCK.
[Signed:] JOHAN NIJHOFF.
[Signed:] DOUWE SYMONSZ PENNEMES.
[Signed:] MICHIEL DANIELS.
[Signed:] CORNELIS BACKER.
[Signed:] PT. COOL.
Original Dutch transcription
Alhoewel bij resolutie op gistern genomen van den Raadt was verstaan, dat het aanhouden van den Deenschen schipper Carsten de Regter, om redenen daerin vermeld, wel en ten regten gedaan zij, soo is ‘t nogtans dat den Raad deser fortresse, bij assumtie der respective schippers van de ter rhede leggende schepen, heden wederom vergaadert, met attentie gelet hebbende op d’ ordere van Haer Edle. d’ Heeren XVIIen op ‘t voors. subject gegeven, ende ten dien eijnde wijders g’examineert zekere copias resolutien, bij welgemelde Haer Edle. onder dato 9 en 15 Maij ao. passado23 over deselve materie genomen, ende daerbij aen dese kant geconsidereert, dat wij geensints bevoegt en waeren van sodanige stricte bevelen onser Heeren en Meesters te disponeren, maer deselve met vigeur behoorden te voltrecken; doch, aen geene zijde, de bekommerlijke consitutie van tijden, die men niet alleenich in ons vaderlandt met de Croon Vranckrijk beleefde, maer ook, dat men, naer ‘t gemeijne gevoelen, ‘t zekerste vertrouwen op die van Denemarken mede geensints en hoefde te stellen, mitsgaeders, dat den capitain Bielke van ‘t voors. Deensche schip bij requeste heden in Raede overgelevert, grootelijx over dusdanige proceduren gedoleert, en daerbij aangewesen hadde, hem onmogelijk te zijn, sonder den voors. schipper, als onder wiens directie, gevolgelijk tot desselfs verantwoordinge niet allenich het gemelde schip, maer ook alle daerin gelaedene koopmanschappen stonden (behalven dat hij buijten een persoon de stiermanschap off navigatie verstaande, niemand anders aan boort hadde) van hier in zee te kunnen gaan; maer daerentegen genootsaakt te zijn, tot lasten van d’ E. Compe. en groote prejudicie, schaede en interesse van Zijne Majesteijt, alhier over te blijven, ende die haer ook ongetwijiffelt daerover geensints ten besten zoude gestigt vinden, Zulx dat bij den Raad dese gewigtige zaeke met aandagt overwogen en gepondereert wesende, eijndelijk zulx g’apprehendeert en daeruijt voorgestelt is, off men bij Haar Edle. vooraangetogen positive bevelen soude persisteren, en den gesaiseerden schipper naer Batavia zenden, dan, off om haere Hooggedagte Majesteijt geen redenen tot offensie te geven, ende onsen Staat (die men dogh allomme soekt te benouwen) geen meerder vijanden op den hals te haalen, niet tot een ander expedient zouden cunnen comen:
Waerop dan met circumspectie gelet, ende verscheijde argumenten dese saeke raekende bijgebragt en pro et contra geventileert,24 en wel bijsonderlijk geconsidereert wesende, hoe dapper Zijne gede. Majesteijt als een zeer oude vrundt en bontgenoot van den Staat wel eer ‘s Comps. vloote in zijne haaven bij tijden van den,25 is eijndelijk, naer voorgaande veele debatten bij pluraliteijt van stemmen geresolveert ende verstaan, het in dese tegenwoordige troubles voor d’ E. Compe. verre best en veijligst te wesen, omme hierinne voor ditmael conniventie te gebruijken, en de gemelden Deenschen schipper wederom te largeren, te meer, also deselve tegenwoordigh op zijn retour begrepen, en d’ E. Compe. als nu in Oost Indien niet naedeeligh wesen kan, doch met die dreijgementen en waarschouwingh, dat, ten waere den Raad bijsondere gewigtige consideratien tot sulx hadden gepermoveert, hij zekerlijck sonder de behoorlijke censure niet vrij geraakt zoude sijn. Latende vorders aan onse Heeren ende Meesters in ‘t Patria gereserveert de pretentie ende actie, die deselve op zijn persoon en goederen in tijde ende wijle zouden mogen komen te nemen.
Aldus g’arresteert in d’ Fortresse de Goede Hoop ten dage en jare voors.
[Signed:] ALBERT VAN BREUGEL.
[Signed:] HUBERT HUGO.
[Signed:] CONRAD VON BREITENBACH.
[Signed:] J. COON.
[Signed:] PIETER DE NEIJN.
[Signed:] H. CRUDOP.
[Signed:] W. VAN DIEDEN.
[Signed:] CORNELIS KRIECK.
[Signed:] (24/1672/4/27)
[Signed:] JAN CORNELISZ TIJMS.
[Signed:] JAN BLOCK.
[Signed:] JOHAN NIJHOFF.
[Signed:] DOUWE SYMONSZ PENNEMES.
[Signed:] MICHIEL DANIELS.
[Signed:] CORNELIS BACKER.
[Signed:] PT. COOL.
Waerop dan met circumspectie gelet, ende verscheijde argumenten dese saeke raekende bijgebragt en pro et contra geventileert,24 en wel bijsonderlijk geconsidereert wesende, hoe dapper Zijne gede. Majesteijt als een zeer oude vrundt en bontgenoot van den Staat wel eer ‘s Comps. vloote in zijne haaven bij tijden van den,25 is eijndelijk, naer voorgaande veele debatten bij pluraliteijt van stemmen geresolveert ende verstaan, het in dese tegenwoordige troubles voor d’ E. Compe. verre best en veijligst te wesen, omme hierinne voor ditmael conniventie te gebruijken, en de gemelden Deenschen schipper wederom te largeren, te meer, also deselve tegenwoordigh op zijn retour begrepen, en d’ E. Compe. als nu in Oost Indien niet naedeeligh wesen kan, doch met die dreijgementen en waarschouwingh, dat, ten waere den Raad bijsondere gewigtige consideratien tot sulx hadden gepermoveert, hij zekerlijck sonder de behoorlijke censure niet vrij geraakt zoude sijn. Latende vorders aan onse Heeren ende Meesters in ‘t Patria gereserveert de pretentie ende actie, die deselve op zijn persoon en goederen in tijde ende wijle zouden mogen komen te nemen.
Aldus g’arresteert in d’ Fortresse de Goede Hoop ten dage en jare voors.
[Signed:] ALBERT VAN BREUGEL.
[Signed:] HUBERT HUGO.
[Signed:] CONRAD VON BREITENBACH.
[Signed:] J. COON.
[Signed:] PIETER DE NEIJN.
[Signed:] H. CRUDOP.
[Signed:] W. VAN DIEDEN.
[Signed:] CORNELIS KRIECK.
[Signed:] (24/1672/4/27)
[Signed:] JAN CORNELISZ TIJMS.
[Signed:] JAN BLOCK.
[Signed:] JOHAN NIJHOFF.
[Signed:] DOUWE SYMONSZ PENNEMES.
[Signed:] MICHIEL DANIELS.
[Signed:] CORNELIS BACKER.
[Signed:] PT. COOL.