Cape Council of Policy
433
1670-10-10
Minute details
- Entry number
- 433
- Date
- 1670-10-10
- Year
- 1670
English translation
‘Whereas Mons. Hortie, Commissioner of the French squadron, having arranged under Monseigneur de la Haije, Lieutenant General over the Armaments on land of His Majesty, Governor and his Lieutenant General and Admiral over all the seas and lands in India under His Majesty’s obedience, as if anchoring in the Bay of Saldanhia, by a certain letter139 written and sent by order of Wellgemelte Mons. de la Haije, with the inscription addressed to Cornelis de Cretzer, merchant and second in command here, well specifically to him Cretzer had liked to request, in response on various points in which the aforementioned Mons. de la Haije complained here of having been insulted by the Commander, as well as of the restitution of all such persons, up to ten of them, who had defected to us from the aforementioned bay. Therefore, it was deemed acceptable by the Commander and the Council to answer the same letter by them jointly or collegially, as was also the case according to the same resolution, to that end on the 5th of this month, two persons were sent from here to Saldanha Bay with a certain letter, containing the aforementioned letter not only the requested answer but also a protest in the name of and on behalf of Our Lords Principals, the Directors of the General United Netherlands patented East India Company, concerning the hostilities there in the bay, both to the sergeant and the commander, as well as to the aforesaid soldiers residing there on behalf of Our Lords Principals, as well as to some of our citizens who were fishing there, both to arrest them all together, or otherwise to take possession of the Company's place of residence with armed hand, the Company. to violently remove the flag and coat of arms and to put up a French flag with the King's coat of arms instead of raising it again, all of which is more fully set out in our aforementioned letter.
"And as yesterday morning, some of our citizens, early in the morning, left Saldanha Bay with their ships, understood that they had seen people, as mentioned above, Monsig de la Haeije, with all his accompanying ships, leave this bay a short time after their arrival, and we are concerned that our aforementioned sent persons might have arrived a little too late with the letter, we have considered it advisable and necessary, Monsr. Joije, captain of the ship Vauture Corone, present here in Tafelbay, to assure us, as much as was possible in due time, to have our aforementioned letter read aloud by our Secretary in the presence of two commissioners from the Council, and to have it accompanied by an authentic copy of the same, as well as a copy of the aforementioned letter sent by Mons. Hortie, with the insinuation that it should, if possible, be handed over or sent to Mons. de la Haije, and also to His Excellency. to make our gravamina known, or, if inconvenient, to order it to His Majesty or his high ministers in France,140 adding, in addition to this, not only a presentation but also a special order, that the aforementioned runaways, thirteen in number, taken into custody here at the request of Monseigneur de la Haije, and who are still there, will have to fetch us and take them with them, as we find ourselves extremely embarrassed about this, provided that we are given all due receipts, also leaving an authentic copy of this to the aforementioned Monsr. Joije.’
‘It stood in the Fortress of Goede Hoope on this 10th of October 1670, and was signed by Pieter Hackius, Cornel de Cretzer, Joh. Coon, and Jac. Granat.’
After collation, this translation141 was subscribed to the Council with the French original, and is registered herewith, and found to be in agreement.
[Signed:] H. CRUDOP, Secretary.
‘The foregoing insinuation was made at present to the captains of the ship Vauture Coroné, by the Secretary in the presence of our undersigned commissioners, as well as the letters exchanged between them, having been specifically read; They have thereupon declared themselves willing and prepared to deliver the rehearsed authentic copies, as requested, to their immediate and most suitable hands, to send His Excellency, My Lord de la Haije, at the first and most convenient opportunity, and not to send them to His Royal Majesty or His High Ministers in France, also in case none of their companies would be able to come here to escort them before their departure, to take the thirteen defecting French soldiers (held here in custody) on board their ship together and thus relieve us of them. It stated: In the ship Vauture Coroné of this October 10, 1670, and was signed Corn. de Cretzer and Joh. Coon. The inscription read: "In my presence, signed Hendrick Crudop, Secret." It then read:
"We hereby declare that the aforementioned insinuation was duly made to us, and in addition, the aforementioned authentic copy of the letter, read aloud beforehand, and with it our request, as agreed, was duly delivered, which we promise to do at the first opportunity that will arise to His Excellency." My Lord de la Haije, and if not, to send His Majesty or his high ministers to France, as well as to take over the thirteen French deserters together upon our departure and take them on board. It read: "In the ship Vauture Coroné this 10th of October." And was marked Joijeux and Du Fart. Finally, it continued: "We hereby declare that eleven of the French deserters who deserted (along with two of their companions) have been delivered to us on board, whom we promise to take with us and to deliver to our Lord Superiors upon arrival in Surat." Dated in the ship Vauture Coroné on the 21st of October 1670, and it was signed Joijeux, du Fart and the Guillijn.'
'Accepts all the pros. subsequent collation and translation with its principal written in the French language and registered here alongside. In the Fortresse de Goede Hoope on the 12th of October 1670.'
“H.CRUDOP. Secrets.”
"And as yesterday morning, some of our citizens, early in the morning, left Saldanha Bay with their ships, understood that they had seen people, as mentioned above, Monsig de la Haeije, with all his accompanying ships, leave this bay a short time after their arrival, and we are concerned that our aforementioned sent persons might have arrived a little too late with the letter, we have considered it advisable and necessary, Monsr. Joije, captain of the ship Vauture Corone, present here in Tafelbay, to assure us, as much as was possible in due time, to have our aforementioned letter read aloud by our Secretary in the presence of two commissioners from the Council, and to have it accompanied by an authentic copy of the same, as well as a copy of the aforementioned letter sent by Mons. Hortie, with the insinuation that it should, if possible, be handed over or sent to Mons. de la Haije, and also to His Excellency. to make our gravamina known, or, if inconvenient, to order it to His Majesty or his high ministers in France,140 adding, in addition to this, not only a presentation but also a special order, that the aforementioned runaways, thirteen in number, taken into custody here at the request of Monseigneur de la Haije, and who are still there, will have to fetch us and take them with them, as we find ourselves extremely embarrassed about this, provided that we are given all due receipts, also leaving an authentic copy of this to the aforementioned Monsr. Joije.’
‘It stood in the Fortress of Goede Hoope on this 10th of October 1670, and was signed by Pieter Hackius, Cornel de Cretzer, Joh. Coon, and Jac. Granat.’
After collation, this translation141 was subscribed to the Council with the French original, and is registered herewith, and found to be in agreement.
[Signed:] H. CRUDOP, Secretary.
‘The foregoing insinuation was made at present to the captains of the ship Vauture Coroné, by the Secretary in the presence of our undersigned commissioners, as well as the letters exchanged between them, having been specifically read; They have thereupon declared themselves willing and prepared to deliver the rehearsed authentic copies, as requested, to their immediate and most suitable hands, to send His Excellency, My Lord de la Haije, at the first and most convenient opportunity, and not to send them to His Royal Majesty or His High Ministers in France, also in case none of their companies would be able to come here to escort them before their departure, to take the thirteen defecting French soldiers (held here in custody) on board their ship together and thus relieve us of them. It stated: In the ship Vauture Coroné of this October 10, 1670, and was signed Corn. de Cretzer and Joh. Coon. The inscription read: "In my presence, signed Hendrick Crudop, Secret." It then read:
"We hereby declare that the aforementioned insinuation was duly made to us, and in addition, the aforementioned authentic copy of the letter, read aloud beforehand, and with it our request, as agreed, was duly delivered, which we promise to do at the first opportunity that will arise to His Excellency." My Lord de la Haije, and if not, to send His Majesty or his high ministers to France, as well as to take over the thirteen French deserters together upon our departure and take them on board. It read: "In the ship Vauture Coroné this 10th of October." And was marked Joijeux and Du Fart. Finally, it continued: "We hereby declare that eleven of the French deserters who deserted (along with two of their companions) have been delivered to us on board, whom we promise to take with us and to deliver to our Lord Superiors upon arrival in Surat." Dated in the ship Vauture Coroné on the 21st of October 1670, and it was signed Joijeux, du Fart and the Guillijn.'
'Accepts all the pros. subsequent collation and translation with its principal written in the French language and registered here alongside. In the Fortresse de Goede Hoope on the 12th of October 1670.'
“H.CRUDOP. Secrets.”
Original Dutch transcription
‘Vermits mons. Hortie, Commissaris van het Franse esquadre, bescheijden onder Monseigneur de la Haije, Lieutenant general over d’ armeen te landt van Sijn Majesteijt, Gouverneur en sijn Lieutenant general en Admirael over alle de zeen en landen in Indien onder Sijn Majesteijts gehoorsaamheijt sorterende, als doen in d’ baeij Saldanhia ten ancker leggende, bij zeeker missive139 geschreven ende affgevaerdigt op ordre van Wellgemelte Mons. de la Haije, met het opschrift aan Cornelis de Cretzer, coopman en twede persoon alhier, well specialick aen hem Cretzer hadde gelieven te versoeken, andtwoort op diverse poincten waerbij voors. mons. de la Haije sich beclaagde alhier van den Commandeur beledicht te sijn, mitsgaders restitutie van alle zodanige persoonen als tot thien stx. toe, die van hunluijden uijt d’ voors. baeij tot ons overgelopen waren, Soo is ‘t dat hierover bij den Commandeur en de Raadt goet gevonden is d’selve missive door hunl. gesamentlijck ofte collegialiter te beandtwoorden, gelijck dan oock volgens derselver resolutie, tot dien eijnde op den 5en deser, twee personen met zekere missive van hier nae d’ Saldanhiabaij affgevaerdigt, behelsende voors. brieff niet allenich d’ versochte andtwoort maer oock een protest uijt de naam ende van wegen onse Heeren Principalen de Bewinthebberen van d’ Generale Verenigde Nederlantse g’octroijeerde Oost Indische Compagnie, over de hostiliteijten aldaer in d’ baeij, soo aan den sergeant en de bevelhebber als de gemelte soldaten daer wegens onse Hrn. Principalen residerende, als oock enige onser borgers, d’welcke aldaar te visschen lagen, soo met alle d’selve in arreste te nemen als andersints met des Comps. residentieplaats gewapender handt in possessie te nemen, des Comps. vlagge ende wapen geweldiglijck aff te halen een France vlagge met des Coninx wapen in plaats van dien weder op te rechten, begaen, alles breder bij meer genoemde onse affgesonden brieff vervath.’
‘Ende alsoo wij op gisteren morgen door enige onser borgeren, vroech voor den dagh met hunne scheepjes uijt d’ Saldanhiabaeij vertrocken, hebben verstaan dat sij luijden gesien hadden, alsdoen boven gemelte Monsig. de la Haeije, met alle sijn bijhebbende schepen weijnich tijdts na hun insgelijx uijt dito baeij gelopen is, ende wij ons beducht vinden dat onse voors. affgesonden persoonen met den brieff well lichtelick een weijnich tijdts souden mogen te laat gecomen sijn, zoo hebben raadtsaam ende nodigh gedacht Monsr. Joije, capitaijn van ‘t schip Vauture Corone jegenwoordigh alhier in de Tafelbaij te rhede leggende, t’ onser verseekeringe voor soo veel ons nae tijdtsgelentheijt doenlick was, onse voors. affgesonden missive door onsen Secretaris in presentie van twee gecommitteerdens uijt den Raadt te doen voorlesen, ende nevensdien copie authentijq van d’selve, mitsgaders insgelijx copie van boven gemelte missive door Mons. Hortie affgezonden, te laten, met insinuatie van dat d’selve, soo ‘t mogelick ware, aan Monsr. de la Haije sall hebben ter handen te stellen, ofte toe te zenden, ende alsoo Sijn Exell. onse gravamina te kennen te geven, ofte bij ongelegentheijt van dien, d’selve naer Vranckrijck aan Sijn Maje. off desselfs hoge ministers sulx aan bevolen, te schicken,140 doende nevens desen niet allenich presentatie maer well speciale instantie, dat de voors. weghgelopene personen, d’welcke tot derthien in ‘t getal, ter begeerte van monseigneur de la Haije alhier in verseekeringe hebben genomen, ende daer als noch sitten, ons zall hebben aff te halen ende mede te nemen, also ons daar mede ten hoogsten verlegen vinden, mits ons van alles behoorlicke recepisse te verleenen, latende oock copia authentijcq van desen aan voors. Monsr. Joije.’
‘Onder stont in d’ Fortresse d’ Goede Hoope desen 10en October 1670, en was geteijkent Pieter Hackius, Cornel. de Cretzer, Joh. Coon, en Jac. Granat.’
Naer gedaene collatie is dit translaet141 met het Fransche origineel bij den Raadt gesubscribeert, ende hiernevens geregistreert, bevonden t’ accorderen.
[Signed:] H.CRUDOP. Secrts.
‘D’welcke voorstaande insinuatie op huijden aan d’ opperhooffden van ‘t schip Vauture Coroné , door den Secretaris ter presentie van ons ondergeschreven gecommitteerdens wettelijcken gedaan, mitsgaders d’ over en weer gewisselde missiven henl. poinctuelick voor gelesen zijnde; hebben haer daerop verclaart willigh ende bereijt te zijn, d’ voorgerepeteerde authentijque affschriften, t’ haeren versoucke hun verseegelt in handen gelevert, bij d’ eerste en bequaamste gelegentheijt Sijn Exell. mijn Heer de la Haije toe te zenden en des niet aan Sijn Koninglijcke Majesteijt off desselfs hoge ministers naer Vranckrijck over te schicken, oock bij aldien voor haer vertreck geen van hunne compagnions alhier souden mogen comen te paresceren, d’ derthien overgelopene Franse soldaten (hier in hechtenisse zittende) gasamentlijck op haer schip mede over te neemen ende zulx ons daervan t’ ontlasten. Onder stont: In ‘t schip Vauture Coroné desen 10en October 1670 en was geteijkent Corn. de Cretzer en Joh. Coon. Lager stont: In presentie van mij, en geteijckent Hendrick Crudop, Secret. Vervolgens was te lesen:’
‘Verclaeren wij onderges. d’ opgemelte insinuatie aan ons naar behoren gedaan en daer beneffens d’ voorgemelte auth[e]ntijque copie missiven, alvorens punctuelick voorgelesen, en daerop t’ onsen versoeke, versegelt, well over gelevert te zijn, d’welcke142 wij beloven met d’ eerste occasie, die sig daertoe sal offereren, aan Zijn Excell. mijn Heer de la Haije, ende des niet, aan Zijn Majesteijt off desselfs hooge ministers naer Vranckrijck te zenden, mitsgaeders d’ derthien Fransche overloopers op ons vertreck gesamentlijck over te nemen, ende mede te voeren. Onder stond: In ‘t schip Vauture Coroné desen 10en October. Ende was geteijkent Joijeux ende Du Fart. Eijndelijck vervolgde: Wij onderges. verclaeren bij desen, dat elff van de Fransche overgelopene soldaten (zijnde bovendien nogh twe van haere complicen g’esschapeert) ons aan boort gelevert zijn, d’welcke wij beloven mede te voeren en in Suratte comende aan onse Heeren Superioren over te leeveren. Gedateert in ‘t schip Vauture Coroné den 21en October 1670, ende was geteijkent Joijeux, du Fart ende de Guillijn.’
‘Accordeert alle ‘t voors. naer gedane collatie ende translatie met zijn principael in d’ Fransche tael geschreven ende hier nevens geregistreert. In d’ Fortresse de Goede Hoope desen 12en October 1670.’
‘H.CRUDOP. Secrts.’
‘Ende alsoo wij op gisteren morgen door enige onser borgeren, vroech voor den dagh met hunne scheepjes uijt d’ Saldanhiabaeij vertrocken, hebben verstaan dat sij luijden gesien hadden, alsdoen boven gemelte Monsig. de la Haeije, met alle sijn bijhebbende schepen weijnich tijdts na hun insgelijx uijt dito baeij gelopen is, ende wij ons beducht vinden dat onse voors. affgesonden persoonen met den brieff well lichtelick een weijnich tijdts souden mogen te laat gecomen sijn, zoo hebben raadtsaam ende nodigh gedacht Monsr. Joije, capitaijn van ‘t schip Vauture Corone jegenwoordigh alhier in de Tafelbaij te rhede leggende, t’ onser verseekeringe voor soo veel ons nae tijdtsgelentheijt doenlick was, onse voors. affgesonden missive door onsen Secretaris in presentie van twee gecommitteerdens uijt den Raadt te doen voorlesen, ende nevensdien copie authentijq van d’selve, mitsgaders insgelijx copie van boven gemelte missive door Mons. Hortie affgezonden, te laten, met insinuatie van dat d’selve, soo ‘t mogelick ware, aan Monsr. de la Haije sall hebben ter handen te stellen, ofte toe te zenden, ende alsoo Sijn Exell. onse gravamina te kennen te geven, ofte bij ongelegentheijt van dien, d’selve naer Vranckrijck aan Sijn Maje. off desselfs hoge ministers sulx aan bevolen, te schicken,140 doende nevens desen niet allenich presentatie maer well speciale instantie, dat de voors. weghgelopene personen, d’welcke tot derthien in ‘t getal, ter begeerte van monseigneur de la Haije alhier in verseekeringe hebben genomen, ende daer als noch sitten, ons zall hebben aff te halen ende mede te nemen, also ons daar mede ten hoogsten verlegen vinden, mits ons van alles behoorlicke recepisse te verleenen, latende oock copia authentijcq van desen aan voors. Monsr. Joije.’
‘Onder stont in d’ Fortresse d’ Goede Hoope desen 10en October 1670, en was geteijkent Pieter Hackius, Cornel. de Cretzer, Joh. Coon, en Jac. Granat.’
Naer gedaene collatie is dit translaet141 met het Fransche origineel bij den Raadt gesubscribeert, ende hiernevens geregistreert, bevonden t’ accorderen.
[Signed:] H.CRUDOP. Secrts.
‘D’welcke voorstaande insinuatie op huijden aan d’ opperhooffden van ‘t schip Vauture Coroné , door den Secretaris ter presentie van ons ondergeschreven gecommitteerdens wettelijcken gedaan, mitsgaders d’ over en weer gewisselde missiven henl. poinctuelick voor gelesen zijnde; hebben haer daerop verclaart willigh ende bereijt te zijn, d’ voorgerepeteerde authentijque affschriften, t’ haeren versoucke hun verseegelt in handen gelevert, bij d’ eerste en bequaamste gelegentheijt Sijn Exell. mijn Heer de la Haije toe te zenden en des niet aan Sijn Koninglijcke Majesteijt off desselfs hoge ministers naer Vranckrijck over te schicken, oock bij aldien voor haer vertreck geen van hunne compagnions alhier souden mogen comen te paresceren, d’ derthien overgelopene Franse soldaten (hier in hechtenisse zittende) gasamentlijck op haer schip mede over te neemen ende zulx ons daervan t’ ontlasten. Onder stont: In ‘t schip Vauture Coroné desen 10en October 1670 en was geteijkent Corn. de Cretzer en Joh. Coon. Lager stont: In presentie van mij, en geteijckent Hendrick Crudop, Secret. Vervolgens was te lesen:’
‘Verclaeren wij onderges. d’ opgemelte insinuatie aan ons naar behoren gedaan en daer beneffens d’ voorgemelte auth[e]ntijque copie missiven, alvorens punctuelick voorgelesen, en daerop t’ onsen versoeke, versegelt, well over gelevert te zijn, d’welcke142 wij beloven met d’ eerste occasie, die sig daertoe sal offereren, aan Zijn Excell. mijn Heer de la Haije, ende des niet, aan Zijn Majesteijt off desselfs hooge ministers naer Vranckrijck te zenden, mitsgaeders d’ derthien Fransche overloopers op ons vertreck gesamentlijck over te nemen, ende mede te voeren. Onder stond: In ‘t schip Vauture Coroné desen 10en October. Ende was geteijkent Joijeux ende Du Fart. Eijndelijck vervolgde: Wij onderges. verclaeren bij desen, dat elff van de Fransche overgelopene soldaten (zijnde bovendien nogh twe van haere complicen g’esschapeert) ons aan boort gelevert zijn, d’welcke wij beloven mede te voeren en in Suratte comende aan onse Heeren Superioren over te leeveren. Gedateert in ‘t schip Vauture Coroné den 21en October 1670, ende was geteijkent Joijeux, du Fart ende de Guillijn.’
‘Accordeert alle ‘t voors. naer gedane collatie ende translatie met zijn principael in d’ Fransche tael geschreven ende hier nevens geregistreert. In d’ Fortresse de Goede Hoope desen 12en October 1670.’
‘H.CRUDOP. Secrts.’