Cape Council of Policy
133
1657-12-24
Minute details
- Entry number
- 133
- Date
- 1657-12-24
- Year
- 1657
English translation
Having communicated to the Commander and Council of this fortress, to the Broad Council of the return ships Arnhem and Castle of Hooningen, their resolution of the 17th of this past month, taken here, namely, of the same residence, to be placed in necessity for a while, preferably as aforementioned costal return ships, to the great disservice and detriment of the General Company, to detain some Dutch or Indian return ships: to furnish them with all necessities from them, etc. And in accordance with this, also clearly and resolutely stated everything that was in the Company's store, such as provisions, anchors, ropes, pumps, pitch, tar, harpoon, fuel, etc. is resigned: to discuss whether it can help, so that the aforementioned cost-effective ships (without being held back, longer than absolutely necessary) could be dispatched to the Patria sooner.
Furthermore, the principal chiefs, or the Council of the aforementioned ships, present in council and also summoned to reinforce the fortress, have noted down the most important matters, principal and most important, to sail and some running, because, with that, they will not seem to be able to be safely delivered from here, since there is nothing in the warehouse in this regard.
Therefore, after careful deliberation, it has been decided to have a thorough inspection done the day after tomorrow, the second day of Christmas. both the ships, considering the provisions, as well as all the necessities in the aforementioned two return ships, and this by the following commissioners, namely:
Skipper Claes Speelman and van Hooningen
To inspect the ship Arnhem,
Merchant Abraham Clevesteijn
In the presence of
Roeloff de Man and from the fort
Abraham Gabbema, fiscus
Provisional skipper Michiel Jacobsz and van Arnhem
To inspect the ship Hooningen,
Merchant Hendrick Cop
Besides the aforementioned persons from this fortress
Skipper Claes Speelman and van Hooningen
To inspect the ship Arnhem,
Merchant Abraham Clevesteijn
In the presence of
Roeloff de Man and from the Fort
Abraham Gabbema, Fiscal Officer
The provisional skipper Michiel Jacobsz and } of Arnhem} to inspect the ship Hooningen,
The sub-merchant Hendrick Cop
Besides the aforementioned persons from this fortress
In order to then consult more closely on the report of the aforementioned commissioners and to see whether the ships, with the offered assistance, could be assisted sufficiently to enable them to continue their journey to the homeland as quickly as possible, without, as aforementioned, causing additional burden and interest to the E. Compe., for precisely this reason, having ships from the homeland or India remain there.
Also further by Monsr. Wijnandt van Catersvelt419 chief captain of the aforementioned ship Arnhem, in Rade reports the death of the two skippers Jan Rotgans and Pieter Jansz de Vries, and that they, due to a lack of more suitable material, had provisionally had that place filled by the helmsman Michiel Jacobsz van Bergen, who had been transferred from the ship Louijse to Arnhem in the Sunda Strait: to serve the chief helmsman's place, according to the ordinance dated 17 February passed by the crew chief Sijmon den Danser, and that he has fallen somewhat too lax in his government and command, as well as not failing to command the crew resolutely enough, etc., and According to what opinion it would be appropriate for this costly ship to be provided with a habilder head for the ship's management, for which the second skipper, Jan Sijmonsz Clos, was brought into consideration, along with the reigning skipper, Claes Speelman, at Hooningen Castle. Thus, after much deliberation, it was not only taken into good consideration, but also decided to have that place filled with a habilder man.
But furthermore, with a view to the greatest advantage and the highest service of the E. Compe. in general, Namely that aforementioned ship Arnhem, the most cost-effective and loaded to capacity with about eight tons of gold, and the Castle of Honingen, in contrast, with a cargo of no more than about 3 tons, So, after careful deliberation and much deliberation (our highest concern, in due duty, passing over the largest capital of our Lords Masters), by unanimous vote, it was not only found to be approved above, that the cost-effective return ship should be equipped with a more capable skipper, but also to choose for this purpose the oldest and most experienced skipper, Claes Speelman, whom the E. Compe. not only served as skipper for many years: but also several times, with Comps. ships have sailed out and home, and in his place at the Castle of Honingen to offer the skipper's task again to the second skipper Jan Sijmonsz Clos mentioned above, with whom he is trusted Both ships will then be equipped with very good and capable skippers. It is also stipulated that not only out of respect for and for the sake of the aforementioned ship Arnhem, the first skipper, Claes Speelman, has been deemed necessary to take over, but also that, since a change is required, it will be well-deserved for the sake of the general public, of both the aforementioned ships, which will keep them all the more peaceful when the consideration of the superior officer of the ship Arnhem comes to be understood, without in any way hinting at the insufficiency of the aforementioned substituted provisional skipper, Michiel Jacobsz van Bergen, but to keep this quiet for the general public, and to appoint him as the second skipper. to allow passengers to re-embark at Honingen Castle, in order to prevent as much as possible all commotion and discontent, etc., among the common people; as well as to leave the aforementioned Michiel Jacobsz's claim, due to his provisional surrogacy, made by the Arnhem Ship's Council, reserved for our Lordships in the fatherland.
Thus done and resolved at the Fort of Good Hope on the day and year aforesaid.
[Signed:] JAN VAN RIEBEECK. 1657.
[Signed:] J. GOOSENS.
[Signed:] CLAES SPEELMAN.
[Signed:] ROELOFF DE MAN.
[Signed:] ABRAHAM GABBEMA, secrets. 1657.
422
423
‘WIJNANT VAN CATERSVELT.’
‘Declaration drawn up on my advice regarding the last two articles in the resolution dated December 24, 1657.’
‘Regarding the fourth article, from the beginning to the word "commanding," etc. included, I confirm this, with the understanding that what is recounted there occurred at the request of Commander Joan van Riebeeck, both in and out of council, not in an advisory but in a discouraging manner. Furthermore, regarding the words in the same article: "where it is said," (and according to which opinion it would be appropriate that a costly ship should be provided with a suitable head for the ship's management), I say that in my Council (with correction) I have not expressed such an opinion, much less held such an opinion, but it is true, because the laxity of our skipper, due to mutual discussions among some members of this Council, especially skipper Speelman, was weighed so highly and heavily, and so, after previous debates, whereupon changes were established that, as I myself (seeing more for the common good,424 the greatest service and prosperity of"
"d. E" (Compe., as well as on a singular person) have confirmed the changes in accordance with the resolution, as I confirm in the said documents and approve them accordingly.’
‘WIJNANT VAN CATERSVELT.’
The Council, having seen the above further interpretation, the declaration, etc., initially requested by Monsr. Wijnandt van Catersvelt in Council, and therefore, as stated above, regarding his opinion, in view of the representation of the substitute skipper Michiel Jacobsz van Bergen, and the appointment of another in his place for reasons in the last two articles of the resolution on the 24th of this past, specifically taken into account, since... Sr. Catersvelt, as stated in the margin above his signature on the aforementioned resolution, alleges that his opinion, properly included, would not have been included, and according to this, the previous members of this Council, along with him, would have deemed it appropriate (although it is only permitted against due process and custom) to further interpret his opinion.
And yet, all the council members, their representatives, not only consider the opinion well-taken, but also that it is expressed as civilly and as clearly as possible, in addition to the nature of the matter, as having heard not only from the mouth of the aforementioned Sr. Catersvelt, but also slackness of the above-mentioned surrogated skippers, etc. in full view: but also according to the statement of the Commander. Riebeecq outside of this, Monsr. Catersvelt, for example, Riebeecq, in his camera alone, before the start of the meeting that was held, related some examples of his weakness in commanding, etc., and that everything that was supposed to be related to the drink was also witnessed and sufficiently confirmed by others from the past. what monsr. Catersvelt the change in the whole and the pleasure of the Commander. The aforementioned himself proposed and, in turn, recommended his substitute chief skipper, Andries Blaeuw, who was a fine, down-to-earth, competent man.
The Commander replied that everyone had heard the story of his substitute skipper, also from others, but that the matter required a change, then the second skipper, Jan Symonsz Clos, was informed on H. Remuneration for the same (while provisionally acting as helmsman) should be preferred, since he had served as skipper for the Rev. Company at some time, and was gifted with no less than great ability, fully demonstrated in various occasions according to testimonies, as well as being known to His E. and other members of the Council, but that the matter could be further deliberated in Council, and the matters properly ventilated, the Commander aforesaid declaring that this had been passed in his Chamber, and we understand that the matter in Council was based on the testimony of Sr. Catersvelt having been previously deliberated or ventilated, with good expression, and taking everything into consideration, the resolution was unanimously passed in favor of the change, also because of the consideration contained in the last article of the same resolution (as leaving our highest concern over the most precious capital loaded on the ship Arnhem mentioned above) that not only another more suitable, but even the oldest and most experienced skipper Claes Speelman would take over, etc., which Monsr. Catersvelt also not only without the slightest difficulty on account of the service of the E. Compe. the first to give his vote, as having given place to the Commander, but after the unanimous and undistorted conclusion also verbally agreed that this was very appropriate since in consideration of the largest capital the oldest skipper at Arnhem would pass over as broader naked and clearer in the aforementioned resolution, and according to all which we the undersigned also continue to persist in the same cause and could not approve of making any alteration therein, if more weighty reasons were prevalent, as can still be discerned in the above-mentioned further interpretation of Monsr. Catersvelt aforesaid (subject to his respect) to do (not to be understood as belonging to the same above his signing under the aforesaid resolution), but superfluously willingly granted, against due and right custom, to make him (difficulting to sign the resolution) buckets full and satisfied in everything, without the Council or any of it, as aforesaid, being in any way hesitant, but fully confirmed, everything according to the truth and nature of the matter in the aforesaid resolution is expressed nakedly and clearly, as well as without any difficulty the decision is taken as unanimously as could be done in any council, and which then, as aforesaid, also not may approve of the decision to desist, but to remain present until the execution, including the aforementioned, except for compelling reasons.
Thus resolved and again arrested in the Fort of Good Hope on the date and year as above.
[Signed:] JAN VAN RIEBEECK. 1657.
[Signed:] J. GOOSENS.
[Signed:] ROELOFF DE MAN.
[Signed:] ABRAHAM GABBEMA, secrets. 1657.
Furthermore, the principal chiefs, or the Council of the aforementioned ships, present in council and also summoned to reinforce the fortress, have noted down the most important matters, principal and most important, to sail and some running, because, with that, they will not seem to be able to be safely delivered from here, since there is nothing in the warehouse in this regard.
Therefore, after careful deliberation, it has been decided to have a thorough inspection done the day after tomorrow, the second day of Christmas. both the ships, considering the provisions, as well as all the necessities in the aforementioned two return ships, and this by the following commissioners, namely:
Skipper Claes Speelman and van Hooningen
To inspect the ship Arnhem,
Merchant Abraham Clevesteijn
In the presence of
Roeloff de Man and from the fort
Abraham Gabbema, fiscus
Provisional skipper Michiel Jacobsz and van Arnhem
To inspect the ship Hooningen,
Merchant Hendrick Cop
Besides the aforementioned persons from this fortress
Skipper Claes Speelman and van Hooningen
To inspect the ship Arnhem,
Merchant Abraham Clevesteijn
In the presence of
Roeloff de Man and from the Fort
Abraham Gabbema, Fiscal Officer
The provisional skipper Michiel Jacobsz and } of Arnhem} to inspect the ship Hooningen,
The sub-merchant Hendrick Cop
Besides the aforementioned persons from this fortress
In order to then consult more closely on the report of the aforementioned commissioners and to see whether the ships, with the offered assistance, could be assisted sufficiently to enable them to continue their journey to the homeland as quickly as possible, without, as aforementioned, causing additional burden and interest to the E. Compe., for precisely this reason, having ships from the homeland or India remain there.
Also further by Monsr. Wijnandt van Catersvelt419 chief captain of the aforementioned ship Arnhem, in Rade reports the death of the two skippers Jan Rotgans and Pieter Jansz de Vries, and that they, due to a lack of more suitable material, had provisionally had that place filled by the helmsman Michiel Jacobsz van Bergen, who had been transferred from the ship Louijse to Arnhem in the Sunda Strait: to serve the chief helmsman's place, according to the ordinance dated 17 February passed by the crew chief Sijmon den Danser, and that he has fallen somewhat too lax in his government and command, as well as not failing to command the crew resolutely enough, etc., and According to what opinion it would be appropriate for this costly ship to be provided with a habilder head for the ship's management, for which the second skipper, Jan Sijmonsz Clos, was brought into consideration, along with the reigning skipper, Claes Speelman, at Hooningen Castle. Thus, after much deliberation, it was not only taken into good consideration, but also decided to have that place filled with a habilder man.
But furthermore, with a view to the greatest advantage and the highest service of the E. Compe. in general, Namely that aforementioned ship Arnhem, the most cost-effective and loaded to capacity with about eight tons of gold, and the Castle of Honingen, in contrast, with a cargo of no more than about 3 tons, So, after careful deliberation and much deliberation (our highest concern, in due duty, passing over the largest capital of our Lords Masters), by unanimous vote, it was not only found to be approved above, that the cost-effective return ship should be equipped with a more capable skipper, but also to choose for this purpose the oldest and most experienced skipper, Claes Speelman, whom the E. Compe. not only served as skipper for many years: but also several times, with Comps. ships have sailed out and home, and in his place at the Castle of Honingen to offer the skipper's task again to the second skipper Jan Sijmonsz Clos mentioned above, with whom he is trusted Both ships will then be equipped with very good and capable skippers. It is also stipulated that not only out of respect for and for the sake of the aforementioned ship Arnhem, the first skipper, Claes Speelman, has been deemed necessary to take over, but also that, since a change is required, it will be well-deserved for the sake of the general public, of both the aforementioned ships, which will keep them all the more peaceful when the consideration of the superior officer of the ship Arnhem comes to be understood, without in any way hinting at the insufficiency of the aforementioned substituted provisional skipper, Michiel Jacobsz van Bergen, but to keep this quiet for the general public, and to appoint him as the second skipper. to allow passengers to re-embark at Honingen Castle, in order to prevent as much as possible all commotion and discontent, etc., among the common people; as well as to leave the aforementioned Michiel Jacobsz's claim, due to his provisional surrogacy, made by the Arnhem Ship's Council, reserved for our Lordships in the fatherland.
Thus done and resolved at the Fort of Good Hope on the day and year aforesaid.
[Signed:] JAN VAN RIEBEECK. 1657.
[Signed:] J. GOOSENS.
[Signed:] CLAES SPEELMAN.
[Signed:] ROELOFF DE MAN.
[Signed:] ABRAHAM GABBEMA, secrets. 1657.
422
423
‘WIJNANT VAN CATERSVELT.’
‘Declaration drawn up on my advice regarding the last two articles in the resolution dated December 24, 1657.’
‘Regarding the fourth article, from the beginning to the word "commanding," etc. included, I confirm this, with the understanding that what is recounted there occurred at the request of Commander Joan van Riebeeck, both in and out of council, not in an advisory but in a discouraging manner. Furthermore, regarding the words in the same article: "where it is said," (and according to which opinion it would be appropriate that a costly ship should be provided with a suitable head for the ship's management), I say that in my Council (with correction) I have not expressed such an opinion, much less held such an opinion, but it is true, because the laxity of our skipper, due to mutual discussions among some members of this Council, especially skipper Speelman, was weighed so highly and heavily, and so, after previous debates, whereupon changes were established that, as I myself (seeing more for the common good,424 the greatest service and prosperity of"
"d. E" (Compe., as well as on a singular person) have confirmed the changes in accordance with the resolution, as I confirm in the said documents and approve them accordingly.’
‘WIJNANT VAN CATERSVELT.’
The Council, having seen the above further interpretation, the declaration, etc., initially requested by Monsr. Wijnandt van Catersvelt in Council, and therefore, as stated above, regarding his opinion, in view of the representation of the substitute skipper Michiel Jacobsz van Bergen, and the appointment of another in his place for reasons in the last two articles of the resolution on the 24th of this past, specifically taken into account, since... Sr. Catersvelt, as stated in the margin above his signature on the aforementioned resolution, alleges that his opinion, properly included, would not have been included, and according to this, the previous members of this Council, along with him, would have deemed it appropriate (although it is only permitted against due process and custom) to further interpret his opinion.
And yet, all the council members, their representatives, not only consider the opinion well-taken, but also that it is expressed as civilly and as clearly as possible, in addition to the nature of the matter, as having heard not only from the mouth of the aforementioned Sr. Catersvelt, but also slackness of the above-mentioned surrogated skippers, etc. in full view: but also according to the statement of the Commander. Riebeecq outside of this, Monsr. Catersvelt, for example, Riebeecq, in his camera alone, before the start of the meeting that was held, related some examples of his weakness in commanding, etc., and that everything that was supposed to be related to the drink was also witnessed and sufficiently confirmed by others from the past. what monsr. Catersvelt the change in the whole and the pleasure of the Commander. The aforementioned himself proposed and, in turn, recommended his substitute chief skipper, Andries Blaeuw, who was a fine, down-to-earth, competent man.
The Commander replied that everyone had heard the story of his substitute skipper, also from others, but that the matter required a change, then the second skipper, Jan Symonsz Clos, was informed on H. Remuneration for the same (while provisionally acting as helmsman) should be preferred, since he had served as skipper for the Rev. Company at some time, and was gifted with no less than great ability, fully demonstrated in various occasions according to testimonies, as well as being known to His E. and other members of the Council, but that the matter could be further deliberated in Council, and the matters properly ventilated, the Commander aforesaid declaring that this had been passed in his Chamber, and we understand that the matter in Council was based on the testimony of Sr. Catersvelt having been previously deliberated or ventilated, with good expression, and taking everything into consideration, the resolution was unanimously passed in favor of the change, also because of the consideration contained in the last article of the same resolution (as leaving our highest concern over the most precious capital loaded on the ship Arnhem mentioned above) that not only another more suitable, but even the oldest and most experienced skipper Claes Speelman would take over, etc., which Monsr. Catersvelt also not only without the slightest difficulty on account of the service of the E. Compe. the first to give his vote, as having given place to the Commander, but after the unanimous and undistorted conclusion also verbally agreed that this was very appropriate since in consideration of the largest capital the oldest skipper at Arnhem would pass over as broader naked and clearer in the aforementioned resolution, and according to all which we the undersigned also continue to persist in the same cause and could not approve of making any alteration therein, if more weighty reasons were prevalent, as can still be discerned in the above-mentioned further interpretation of Monsr. Catersvelt aforesaid (subject to his respect) to do (not to be understood as belonging to the same above his signing under the aforesaid resolution), but superfluously willingly granted, against due and right custom, to make him (difficulting to sign the resolution) buckets full and satisfied in everything, without the Council or any of it, as aforesaid, being in any way hesitant, but fully confirmed, everything according to the truth and nature of the matter in the aforesaid resolution is expressed nakedly and clearly, as well as without any difficulty the decision is taken as unanimously as could be done in any council, and which then, as aforesaid, also not may approve of the decision to desist, but to remain present until the execution, including the aforementioned, except for compelling reasons.
Thus resolved and again arrested in the Fort of Good Hope on the date and year as above.
[Signed:] JAN VAN RIEBEECK. 1657.
[Signed:] J. GOOSENS.
[Signed:] ROELOFF DE MAN.
[Signed:] ABRAHAM GABBEMA, secrets. 1657.
Original Dutch transcription
Bij den Commandeur ende Raedt deser fortresse gecommuniceert sijnde, aen den Breeden Raedt van de retourschepen Arnhem ende Slot van Hooningen, derselver resolutie van den 17 deser verleden alhier genomen, Namentlijck van selver dese residentie, voor een wijl in necessiteijt te willen stellen, liever als voorsz costelijcke retourschepen, tot groote ondienst ende schade van de generale Compe. op te houden, tot eenige vaderlantse offte Indische retourschepen: omme haer wegen alle benodicheden daeruijt te versien &a., Ende volgens dien oock claer, ende resoluijt opgegeven alles wat bij Comps. magasijn, soo van provisien, anckers, touwen, pompen, pick, teer, harpuijs, traen &a. is berustende: omme te overleggen off ‘t selve sal cunnen helpen, ten eijnde de meergemelte costelijcke schepen (sonder daeromme te behouwen leggen, langer als op ‘t hoogste nodich) ter eerder na ‘t Patria mochten werden gedespecheert,
Wijders bij de principale opperhooffden, offte Breeden Raedt, der voorsz schepen in Rade present, ende tot versterckinge des forts Raedts mede geroepen, per notitie opgebracht derselver meeste nootwendicheden, ten principalen ende meest wesende, aen zeijlen ende eenich lopend’ want, daer mede deselve van hier niet wel schijnen te sullen cunnen werden versien, vermits dienaengaende bij ‘t magasijn niets en is,
Soo is na goet overlegh verstaen, op overmorgen den 2en Kersdagh te laten doen, een naeuwe visite op beyde de schepen, soo wegen de provisien, als alle benodicheden in de voorsz twee retourschepen sijnde, ende dat door de navolgende gecommitteerdens, namentlyck:
Den schipper Claes Speelman ende } van Hooningen }Te visiteren het schip Arnhem ,
den Coopman Abraham Clevesteijn
Ten overstaen van
Roeloff de Man ende }uijt 't fort
Abraham Gabbema, fiscus
Den provisioneel schipper Michiel Jacobsz ende } van Arnhem } te visiteren het schip Hooningen ,
Den ondercoopman Hendrick Cop
Neffens de voorsz persoonen uijt dese fortresse
Den schipper Claes Speelman ende } van Hooningen }Te visiteren het schip Arnhem ,
den Coopman Abraham Clevesteijn
Ten overstaen van
Roeloff de Man ende }uijt 't fort
Abraham Gabbema, fiscus
Den provisioneel schipper Michiel Jacobsz ende } van Arnhem } te visiteren het schip Hooningen ,
Den ondercoopman Hendrick Cop
Neffens de voorsz persoonen uijt dese fortresse
Omme als dan op ‘t raport van de voorsz gecommitteerdens een naeuwer overlegh te maecken, ende te sien off de selve schepen, met de aengebode adsistentie, soo verde sullen cunnen werden geholpen, dat sijluijden haer reijse daer mede na ‘t vaderlandt souden cunnen op ‘t spoedichte418 vervolgen, sonder als voorsz tot meerder last ende intrest van d’ E. Compe. hier juijst daeromme na schepen uijt ‘t vaderlandt off India te blijven leggen vertoeven.
Vorders oock door monsr. Wijnandt van Catersvelt419 opperhoofft des voorsz schips Arnhem , in Rade verthooght het overlijden van de 2 schippers Jan Rotgans ende Pieter Jansz de Vries, Ende dat sijluijden derhalven bij manquement van bequamer stoffe, provisioneelijck die plaetse sedert hadden laten becleden door den stuijrman Michiel Jacobsz van Bergen, in de Straet Sunda uijt ‘t schip Louijse op Arnhem overgeset: om de opperstuijrmansplaetse te bedienen, volgens d’ ordonnantie dato 17 Februarij passado bij den equipagiemeester Sijmon den Danser gepasseert, Ende dat den selven in sijn regeringe ende commando soo wat te slap is vallende, als niet wel dervende ‘t scheepsvolcq na behooren resoluijt genoech commandeeren &a., ende volgens ‘t welcke van opinie soude wesen do. costelijcke schip wel van een habilder420 hoofft over de scheepsregeringe mochte worden versorght, waertoe in consideratie wert gebracht den tweeden schipper Jan Sijmonsz Clos, bescheijden beneffens den regerenden schipper Claes Speelman op ‘t Slot van Hooningen , Soo is na veele overwegingen, ‘t selve niet alleene genomen in goede consideratie, maer oock vastgestelt, die plaetse met een habilder man te laten becleden.
Doch wijders gesien op ‘t meeste voordeel, ende den hoogsten dienst van d’ E. Compe. in ‘t generael, Namentlijck dat meergemelte schip Arnhem , het costelijcxste ende ter monture wel van omtrent acht tonnen gouts incoops geladen is, ende ‘t Slot van Honingen ter contrarie niet hoger als met een carge421 van ongeveer 3 tonnen, Soo is na wel genomen deliberatie ende veele overleggingen (onse hooghste sorge, na schuldige plicht, latende gaen over ‘t grootste capitael onser Heeren Meesters) bij eenparicheijt van stemmen, niet alleene als voorsz goetgevonden, do. costelijck retourschip te versien van een bequaemer schipper, maer oock daer toe te verkiesen den outsten ende ervarensten schipper, Claes Speelman voorsz welcke d’ E. Compe. niet alleene lange jaren voor schipper gedient: maer oock diverse malen, met Comps. schepen uijt ende thuijs gevaren heefft, Ende in syn plaetse op ‘t Slot van Honingen weder ‘t schippers gesach te deffereren aen den tweeden schipper Jan Sijmonsz Clos voorsz, waermede vertrouwt wort beijde de schepen dan van seer goede ende bequaeme schippers sullen wesen versien, Item oock dat niet alleen ten respecte ende om de costelijckheijt des schips Arnhem voorsz den outsten schipper Claes Speelman nodich is geacht over te gaen: maer oock dat het vermits men tot veranderinge genootsaeckt is, alsoo wel sal comen: om de meeste ruste onder ‘t gemeene volcq, van beijde de gemelte schepen, welcke haer te gerustiger sullen houden, wanneer de consideratie van de meerder waerde des schips Arnhem comen te verstaen sonder in eeniger manieren ijets te laten verluijden van d’ insuffichantie des voornoemden gesurrogeerden provisioneelen schippers Michiel Jacobsz van Bergen, maer sulcx voor den gemeenen volcq stil te houden, ende den selven als 2en schipper passagier op ‘t Slot van Honingen weder over te laten gaen, om emmers alle tumulte ende misnoegen &a., onder den gemeenen man soo veel mogelijck te prevenieren: mitsgaders voorsz Michiel Jacobsz pretentie wegen sijne provisionele surrogatie, gedaen bij den Scheepsraedt van Arnhem voorsz gereserveert te laten, aen onse Heeren Principalen in ‘t vaderlandt.
Aldus gedaen ende geresolveert in ‘t Fort de Goede Hoope ten dage ende jaere voorsz.
[Signed:] JAN VAN RIEBEECK. 1657.
[Signed:] J. GOOSENS.
[Signed:] CLAES SPEELMAN.
[Signed:] ROELOFF DE MAN.
[Signed:] ABRAHAM GABBEMA, secrets. 1657.
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423
‘WIJNANT VAN CATERSVELT.’
‘Declaratie op mijn gegeven advijs van de twee laetste articulen in de resolutie dato 24 December 1657 getrocken.’
‘Aengaende het vierde artijcul van het begin tot het woort commandeeren &a. incluijs, wert bij mij g’affirmeert, nochtans met al sulcken verstande, dat het geene aldaer wert verhaelt is geschiet op het affvragen van den heer Commandeur Joan van Riebeeck, Soo in als buijten Rade, niet adviserender maer discourerender wijse. Wijders belangende de woorden in ‘t selve articul: waer geseght wort, (ende volgens ‘t welcke van opinie soude wesen do. costelijck schip wel van een habilder hoofft over de scheepsregeringe mochte werden versorght) die woorden segge ick dat bij mijn in Rade (onder correctie) soodanich niet en sijn geventileert, veel min al sulcke opinie te hebben gehadt, maer wel is waer, dewijle de slapheijt van onsen schipper door onderlinge discoursen bij eenige leden deses Raedts, als insonderheijt by den schipper Speelman, soo hooch ende swaer gewogen, ende oversulcx naer voorgaende debatten, daerop echter de veranderinge wierden vastgestelt dat alsdoen mij selven (als siende meer op ‘t gemeene beste424 meesten dienst ende welvaren van’
‘d. E’ Compe. als wel op een singulier persoon) insgelijcks met de veranderinge conform de resolutie hebbe geconfirmeert, gelijck mij in dier vougen voor alsnoch daermede confirmere, ende deselve approbere mits desen.’
‘WIJNANT VAN CATERSVELT.’
Bij den Raet gesien, de hier voorstaende nader interpretatie, g’intituleert declaratie etc., bij monsr. Wijnandt van Catersvelt, in Rade eerst versocht te mogen doen, ende daeromme als boven nu gedaen, over syne meeninge, wegen ‘t vertoogh des gesurrogeerde schippers Michiel Jacobsz van Bergen, ende ‘t stellen van een ander, in plaetse van den selven omme redenen bij de 2 laeste articuls der resolutie op den 24en deser verleden daer over specialijck genomen, vermits do. sr. Catersvelt als in margine boven sijne onderteijckeninge der voorsz resolutie schriftelijck gestelt is allegerende dat desselffs meijninge, daerinne na behoren niet soude wesen gevat, ende volgens dien de vordre leden deses Raedts, neffens hem souden hebben goetgevonden te behoren (hoewel het maer is toegestaen tegen behoren ende gebruijck) sijne meyninge nader te mogen interpreteren,
Ende nochtans alle de raetspersoonen haer verseeckert houden de meijninge niet alleene wel gevadt, maer dat die oock daerinne soo civiel ende saght beneffens de natuijre der sake is uijtgedruckt als mogelijck was te doen, als hebbende niet alleen gehoort uijt den monde van voorsz sr. Catersvelt, de slappigheijt des meergenoemden gesurrogeerden schippers etc. in vollen Rade: maer oock volgens verclaringe van den Commandr. Riebeecq buijten deselve, daer monsr. Catersvelt voorsz Riebeecq in syn camer alleen, voor ‘t aenvangen van de voor geseyde vergaderinge heefft verhaelt eenige excemplen van syne slappicheijt in ‘t commanderen etc., Ende dat oock al wat soet op den dranck soude wesen, sulx door andren van ter syden mede getuijght ende genoeghsaem geconfirmeert wort, Ende volgens ‘t welcke monsr. Catersvelt de veranderinge t’ eenemael ende genoechsaem aen den Commandr. voorsz selffs voorstelde ende in de plaetse weder recommandeerden synen gesurrogeerden opperstuijrman Andries Blaeuw, ‘t welck een fray nuchteren bequaem man was,
Waerop hem door den Commandeur als doen wierde g’antwoort dat allen ‘t verhaelde van syn gesurrogeerden schipper oock door andren mede al hadde gehoort: maer dat de sake tot veranderinge pregnerende, dan den 2en schipper Jan Symonsz Clos bescheijden op Hooningen voor den selven (als maer provisioneel tot stuijrman gesurrogeert wesende) soude behoren geprefereert te worden, vermits bangh over syn tijt d’ E. Compe. voor schipper hadde gedient, endemetniet minder maer425 alsoo veel bequaemheijt begaefft was, volgens preuve in verscheyden gelegentheijt volcomen betoont mitsgaders Sijn E. ende vordre leden des Raets bekent, doch dat in Rade daer over nader soude cunnen werden gedelibreert, ende de saken na behoren geventileert, verclarende den Commandr. voorsz dit aldus in sijn Camer gepasseert te sijn ende wij ondergesz dat in Rade de sake op de getuijgenisse van Sr. Catersvelt voorsz vorders gedelibreert offte geventileert sijnde, met goede uijt druckinge, ende overweginge van alles, de resolutie eenparich tot de veranderinge is gevallen, mitsgaders oock om de consideratie in ‘t laeste articul des selven resolutie vervaet, (als latende onse hooghste sorge gaen over ‘t costelijxste capitael, geladen in ‘t schip Arnhem voorsz) dat daer op niet alleen een ander bequamer, maer selffs den alder outsten ende ervarensten schipper Claes Speelman soude overgaen etc., over ‘t welcke Monsr. Catersvelt mede niet alleene sonder eenige de minste difficulteijt wegen den dienst van d’ E. Compe. d’ aldereerste sijn stemme heefft gegeven, als hebbende sitplaets aen den Commandr., maer na de eenparige ende ongedifficulteerde conclusie oock mondelinge g’allegeert, dat sulx seer bequaem was gevallen vermits om de consideratie van ‘t grootste capitael den outsten schipper op Arnhem soude overgaen als breder naeckt ende claer in de meergemelte resolutie genarreert, ende volgens allen ‘t welcke wy ondergeschrevenen oock bij deselve genootsaeckt blijven te persisteren ende niet cunnen goetvinden daerinne eenige alteratie te doen, ter ware daer toe wightiger oorsaecken pregneerden, als voor jegenwoordigh noch can bespeurt worden bij de bovenstaende nader gedane interpretatie van Monsr. Catersvelt voorsz hem (behoudens desselffs respect) te doen, (niet verstaen te behoren als den selven boven sijne teijckeninge onder de resolutie voorsz is allegerende) maer ten overvloede willigh toegestaen, tegen behoren ende recht gebruijck, om hem (difficulterende do. resolutie te teyckenen) emmers vol ende in alles contentement te doen, sonder dat den Raedt offte ijmandt van dien als voorsz eenighsints in ‘t wijffelinge maer ten vollen verseeckert waren, alles na de waerheijt ende nature der sake in de voorsz resolutie naeckt ende claer is uijtgedruckt, mitsgaders sonder eenige difficulteijt het besluijt soo eenparigh genomen, als out in eenigen raet soude cunnen geschieden, ende welcken volgende dan als voorsz oock niet cunnen goetvinden van do. besluijt te desisteren: maer tot de executie incluijs daer bij te blyven, ten ware om pregnante oorsake als voormelt.
Aldus geresolveert ende andermael g’arresteert in ‘t Fort de Goede Hoope ten dage ende jare als boven.
[Signed:] JAN VAN RIEBEECK. 1657.
[Signed:] J. GOOSENS.
[Signed:] ROELOFF DE MAN.
[Signed:] ABRAHAM GABBEMA, secrets. 1657.
Wijders bij de principale opperhooffden, offte Breeden Raedt, der voorsz schepen in Rade present, ende tot versterckinge des forts Raedts mede geroepen, per notitie opgebracht derselver meeste nootwendicheden, ten principalen ende meest wesende, aen zeijlen ende eenich lopend’ want, daer mede deselve van hier niet wel schijnen te sullen cunnen werden versien, vermits dienaengaende bij ‘t magasijn niets en is,
Soo is na goet overlegh verstaen, op overmorgen den 2en Kersdagh te laten doen, een naeuwe visite op beyde de schepen, soo wegen de provisien, als alle benodicheden in de voorsz twee retourschepen sijnde, ende dat door de navolgende gecommitteerdens, namentlyck:
Den schipper Claes Speelman ende } van Hooningen }Te visiteren het schip Arnhem ,
den Coopman Abraham Clevesteijn
Ten overstaen van
Roeloff de Man ende }uijt 't fort
Abraham Gabbema, fiscus
Den provisioneel schipper Michiel Jacobsz ende } van Arnhem } te visiteren het schip Hooningen ,
Den ondercoopman Hendrick Cop
Neffens de voorsz persoonen uijt dese fortresse
Den schipper Claes Speelman ende } van Hooningen }Te visiteren het schip Arnhem ,
den Coopman Abraham Clevesteijn
Ten overstaen van
Roeloff de Man ende }uijt 't fort
Abraham Gabbema, fiscus
Den provisioneel schipper Michiel Jacobsz ende } van Arnhem } te visiteren het schip Hooningen ,
Den ondercoopman Hendrick Cop
Neffens de voorsz persoonen uijt dese fortresse
Omme als dan op ‘t raport van de voorsz gecommitteerdens een naeuwer overlegh te maecken, ende te sien off de selve schepen, met de aengebode adsistentie, soo verde sullen cunnen werden geholpen, dat sijluijden haer reijse daer mede na ‘t vaderlandt souden cunnen op ‘t spoedichte418 vervolgen, sonder als voorsz tot meerder last ende intrest van d’ E. Compe. hier juijst daeromme na schepen uijt ‘t vaderlandt off India te blijven leggen vertoeven.
Vorders oock door monsr. Wijnandt van Catersvelt419 opperhoofft des voorsz schips Arnhem , in Rade verthooght het overlijden van de 2 schippers Jan Rotgans ende Pieter Jansz de Vries, Ende dat sijluijden derhalven bij manquement van bequamer stoffe, provisioneelijck die plaetse sedert hadden laten becleden door den stuijrman Michiel Jacobsz van Bergen, in de Straet Sunda uijt ‘t schip Louijse op Arnhem overgeset: om de opperstuijrmansplaetse te bedienen, volgens d’ ordonnantie dato 17 Februarij passado bij den equipagiemeester Sijmon den Danser gepasseert, Ende dat den selven in sijn regeringe ende commando soo wat te slap is vallende, als niet wel dervende ‘t scheepsvolcq na behooren resoluijt genoech commandeeren &a., ende volgens ‘t welcke van opinie soude wesen do. costelijcke schip wel van een habilder420 hoofft over de scheepsregeringe mochte worden versorght, waertoe in consideratie wert gebracht den tweeden schipper Jan Sijmonsz Clos, bescheijden beneffens den regerenden schipper Claes Speelman op ‘t Slot van Hooningen , Soo is na veele overwegingen, ‘t selve niet alleene genomen in goede consideratie, maer oock vastgestelt, die plaetse met een habilder man te laten becleden.
Doch wijders gesien op ‘t meeste voordeel, ende den hoogsten dienst van d’ E. Compe. in ‘t generael, Namentlijck dat meergemelte schip Arnhem , het costelijcxste ende ter monture wel van omtrent acht tonnen gouts incoops geladen is, ende ‘t Slot van Honingen ter contrarie niet hoger als met een carge421 van ongeveer 3 tonnen, Soo is na wel genomen deliberatie ende veele overleggingen (onse hooghste sorge, na schuldige plicht, latende gaen over ‘t grootste capitael onser Heeren Meesters) bij eenparicheijt van stemmen, niet alleene als voorsz goetgevonden, do. costelijck retourschip te versien van een bequaemer schipper, maer oock daer toe te verkiesen den outsten ende ervarensten schipper, Claes Speelman voorsz welcke d’ E. Compe. niet alleene lange jaren voor schipper gedient: maer oock diverse malen, met Comps. schepen uijt ende thuijs gevaren heefft, Ende in syn plaetse op ‘t Slot van Honingen weder ‘t schippers gesach te deffereren aen den tweeden schipper Jan Sijmonsz Clos voorsz, waermede vertrouwt wort beijde de schepen dan van seer goede ende bequaeme schippers sullen wesen versien, Item oock dat niet alleen ten respecte ende om de costelijckheijt des schips Arnhem voorsz den outsten schipper Claes Speelman nodich is geacht over te gaen: maer oock dat het vermits men tot veranderinge genootsaeckt is, alsoo wel sal comen: om de meeste ruste onder ‘t gemeene volcq, van beijde de gemelte schepen, welcke haer te gerustiger sullen houden, wanneer de consideratie van de meerder waerde des schips Arnhem comen te verstaen sonder in eeniger manieren ijets te laten verluijden van d’ insuffichantie des voornoemden gesurrogeerden provisioneelen schippers Michiel Jacobsz van Bergen, maer sulcx voor den gemeenen volcq stil te houden, ende den selven als 2en schipper passagier op ‘t Slot van Honingen weder over te laten gaen, om emmers alle tumulte ende misnoegen &a., onder den gemeenen man soo veel mogelijck te prevenieren: mitsgaders voorsz Michiel Jacobsz pretentie wegen sijne provisionele surrogatie, gedaen bij den Scheepsraedt van Arnhem voorsz gereserveert te laten, aen onse Heeren Principalen in ‘t vaderlandt.
Aldus gedaen ende geresolveert in ‘t Fort de Goede Hoope ten dage ende jaere voorsz.
[Signed:] JAN VAN RIEBEECK. 1657.
[Signed:] J. GOOSENS.
[Signed:] CLAES SPEELMAN.
[Signed:] ROELOFF DE MAN.
[Signed:] ABRAHAM GABBEMA, secrets. 1657.
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‘WIJNANT VAN CATERSVELT.’
‘Declaratie op mijn gegeven advijs van de twee laetste articulen in de resolutie dato 24 December 1657 getrocken.’
‘Aengaende het vierde artijcul van het begin tot het woort commandeeren &a. incluijs, wert bij mij g’affirmeert, nochtans met al sulcken verstande, dat het geene aldaer wert verhaelt is geschiet op het affvragen van den heer Commandeur Joan van Riebeeck, Soo in als buijten Rade, niet adviserender maer discourerender wijse. Wijders belangende de woorden in ‘t selve articul: waer geseght wort, (ende volgens ‘t welcke van opinie soude wesen do. costelijck schip wel van een habilder hoofft over de scheepsregeringe mochte werden versorght) die woorden segge ick dat bij mijn in Rade (onder correctie) soodanich niet en sijn geventileert, veel min al sulcke opinie te hebben gehadt, maer wel is waer, dewijle de slapheijt van onsen schipper door onderlinge discoursen bij eenige leden deses Raedts, als insonderheijt by den schipper Speelman, soo hooch ende swaer gewogen, ende oversulcx naer voorgaende debatten, daerop echter de veranderinge wierden vastgestelt dat alsdoen mij selven (als siende meer op ‘t gemeene beste424 meesten dienst ende welvaren van’
‘d. E’ Compe. als wel op een singulier persoon) insgelijcks met de veranderinge conform de resolutie hebbe geconfirmeert, gelijck mij in dier vougen voor alsnoch daermede confirmere, ende deselve approbere mits desen.’
‘WIJNANT VAN CATERSVELT.’
Bij den Raet gesien, de hier voorstaende nader interpretatie, g’intituleert declaratie etc., bij monsr. Wijnandt van Catersvelt, in Rade eerst versocht te mogen doen, ende daeromme als boven nu gedaen, over syne meeninge, wegen ‘t vertoogh des gesurrogeerde schippers Michiel Jacobsz van Bergen, ende ‘t stellen van een ander, in plaetse van den selven omme redenen bij de 2 laeste articuls der resolutie op den 24en deser verleden daer over specialijck genomen, vermits do. sr. Catersvelt als in margine boven sijne onderteijckeninge der voorsz resolutie schriftelijck gestelt is allegerende dat desselffs meijninge, daerinne na behoren niet soude wesen gevat, ende volgens dien de vordre leden deses Raedts, neffens hem souden hebben goetgevonden te behoren (hoewel het maer is toegestaen tegen behoren ende gebruijck) sijne meyninge nader te mogen interpreteren,
Ende nochtans alle de raetspersoonen haer verseeckert houden de meijninge niet alleene wel gevadt, maer dat die oock daerinne soo civiel ende saght beneffens de natuijre der sake is uijtgedruckt als mogelijck was te doen, als hebbende niet alleen gehoort uijt den monde van voorsz sr. Catersvelt, de slappigheijt des meergenoemden gesurrogeerden schippers etc. in vollen Rade: maer oock volgens verclaringe van den Commandr. Riebeecq buijten deselve, daer monsr. Catersvelt voorsz Riebeecq in syn camer alleen, voor ‘t aenvangen van de voor geseyde vergaderinge heefft verhaelt eenige excemplen van syne slappicheijt in ‘t commanderen etc., Ende dat oock al wat soet op den dranck soude wesen, sulx door andren van ter syden mede getuijght ende genoeghsaem geconfirmeert wort, Ende volgens ‘t welcke monsr. Catersvelt de veranderinge t’ eenemael ende genoechsaem aen den Commandr. voorsz selffs voorstelde ende in de plaetse weder recommandeerden synen gesurrogeerden opperstuijrman Andries Blaeuw, ‘t welck een fray nuchteren bequaem man was,
Waerop hem door den Commandeur als doen wierde g’antwoort dat allen ‘t verhaelde van syn gesurrogeerden schipper oock door andren mede al hadde gehoort: maer dat de sake tot veranderinge pregnerende, dan den 2en schipper Jan Symonsz Clos bescheijden op Hooningen voor den selven (als maer provisioneel tot stuijrman gesurrogeert wesende) soude behoren geprefereert te worden, vermits bangh over syn tijt d’ E. Compe. voor schipper hadde gedient, endemetniet minder maer425 alsoo veel bequaemheijt begaefft was, volgens preuve in verscheyden gelegentheijt volcomen betoont mitsgaders Sijn E. ende vordre leden des Raets bekent, doch dat in Rade daer over nader soude cunnen werden gedelibreert, ende de saken na behoren geventileert, verclarende den Commandr. voorsz dit aldus in sijn Camer gepasseert te sijn ende wij ondergesz dat in Rade de sake op de getuijgenisse van Sr. Catersvelt voorsz vorders gedelibreert offte geventileert sijnde, met goede uijt druckinge, ende overweginge van alles, de resolutie eenparich tot de veranderinge is gevallen, mitsgaders oock om de consideratie in ‘t laeste articul des selven resolutie vervaet, (als latende onse hooghste sorge gaen over ‘t costelijxste capitael, geladen in ‘t schip Arnhem voorsz) dat daer op niet alleen een ander bequamer, maer selffs den alder outsten ende ervarensten schipper Claes Speelman soude overgaen etc., over ‘t welcke Monsr. Catersvelt mede niet alleene sonder eenige de minste difficulteijt wegen den dienst van d’ E. Compe. d’ aldereerste sijn stemme heefft gegeven, als hebbende sitplaets aen den Commandr., maer na de eenparige ende ongedifficulteerde conclusie oock mondelinge g’allegeert, dat sulx seer bequaem was gevallen vermits om de consideratie van ‘t grootste capitael den outsten schipper op Arnhem soude overgaen als breder naeckt ende claer in de meergemelte resolutie genarreert, ende volgens allen ‘t welcke wy ondergeschrevenen oock bij deselve genootsaeckt blijven te persisteren ende niet cunnen goetvinden daerinne eenige alteratie te doen, ter ware daer toe wightiger oorsaecken pregneerden, als voor jegenwoordigh noch can bespeurt worden bij de bovenstaende nader gedane interpretatie van Monsr. Catersvelt voorsz hem (behoudens desselffs respect) te doen, (niet verstaen te behoren als den selven boven sijne teijckeninge onder de resolutie voorsz is allegerende) maer ten overvloede willigh toegestaen, tegen behoren ende recht gebruijck, om hem (difficulterende do. resolutie te teyckenen) emmers vol ende in alles contentement te doen, sonder dat den Raedt offte ijmandt van dien als voorsz eenighsints in ‘t wijffelinge maer ten vollen verseeckert waren, alles na de waerheijt ende nature der sake in de voorsz resolutie naeckt ende claer is uijtgedruckt, mitsgaders sonder eenige difficulteijt het besluijt soo eenparigh genomen, als out in eenigen raet soude cunnen geschieden, ende welcken volgende dan als voorsz oock niet cunnen goetvinden van do. besluijt te desisteren: maer tot de executie incluijs daer bij te blyven, ten ware om pregnante oorsake als voormelt.
Aldus geresolveert ende andermael g’arresteert in ‘t Fort de Goede Hoope ten dage ende jare als boven.
[Signed:] JAN VAN RIEBEECK. 1657.
[Signed:] J. GOOSENS.
[Signed:] ROELOFF DE MAN.
[Signed:] ABRAHAM GABBEMA, secrets. 1657.